Friday, April 4, 2025

Writing About Brains, Egnor Gets Things Halfway Right

Michael Egnor is a professor of neurosurgery and pediatrics whose writings often appear at the Evolution News site. Egnor has written some good posts at that site, often presenting the kind of evidence I discuss on this site.  But in one post this year on that site, Egnor seems to indicate that he is still clinging to some of the moldy old dogmas of neuroscientists, including some dogmas I regard as untenable. 

It is not that Egnor is afraid to believe in a human soul. In the post he says "we have spiritual souls and physical bodies." In fact, Egnor is the author of a new book entitled The Immortal Mind: A Neurosurgeon's Case for the Existence of the Soul. The problem is that the soul Egnor believes in seems to be only half of what we need to postulate to have a credible theory of human minds.  Egnor seems to believe that you have a soul responsible for your selfhood and consciousness and thinking, but that such a soul does not involve human memory.  He apparently thinks that memory is a product of the brain. Teaching an unfounded triumphal legend, he states, "The pioneering neuroscientists of the 20th and 21st centuries — Wilder Penfield, Roger Sperry, Justine Sergent, Yair Pinto, Benjamin Libet, and many others — have shown that the brain is the source of five of these kinds of activities—physiological control (of heartbeat, breathing, etc.), locomotion, perception, memory, and emotion." 

No, such neuroscientists sure did not show that the brain is the source of perception or locomotion or memory or emotion.  There are brain chemicals that can influence emotions such as fear and anger; and brains help you achieve visual perception through the eyes and locomotion through your legs. But no one has ever shown any neural basis for the more elevated human emotions such as romantic love or parental love or wonder or awe. No one has an explanation for how a brain could produce a locomotion decision such as when you decide to get up and go for a walk. There is no neuroscience basis for claiming that the brain is the source of instant human recall, which occurs despite the nonexistence in the brain of the things that make instant information retrieval possible in products humans manufacture (things such as addressing, indexing and sorting). And there are the strongest reasons for thinking that the brain cannot be the storage place of human memories, things such as the fact that human memories can last 1000 times longer than the average lifetime of brain proteins. 

In that quote by Egnor, he has a link to other posts, one link for each of the people he mentions. Let me discuss those links.

The Wilder Penfield Link

The link Egnor gives regarding Penfield is a link to a post he wrote about Wilder Penfield. The post is guilty of propagating one of the "old wives' tales" of neuroscience lore, the claim that Wilder Penfield produced memory recall by zapping people's brains with electricity. Penfield did no such thing. He merely noted that sometimes people would recall things when their brain was being electrically zapped. Since memory recall occurs almost all the time, memory recall during brain zapping does nothing to show that brains store memories. Penfield failed to document any effect by which one particular memory would always be evoked when some particular brain region was zapped. 

Strangely Egnor quotes Penfield as saying "none of the actions we attribute to the mind has been initiated by electrode stimulation or epileptic discharge." Such a claim contradicts the idea that he did anything to produce recall by zapping a brain, because memory recall is certainly one "of the actions we attribute to the mind." 

At www.archive.org I was able to find and borrow a 1967 book by Wilder Penfield, the book "The Excitable Cortex in Conscious Man." In that book Penfield discusses his research electrically stimulating parts of human brains. He makes no claim that a specific memory could be reproduced multiple times by stimulating a particular part of the brain. Instead on page 23 he merely refers to "experiential hallucinations" being produced by such brain stimulation. 

In a future post discussing pages 23 to 32 of this book, I will document cases of how Penfield described imprecise statements from electrically stimulated patients (statements lacking the precision of exact recollections of real events), and how Penfield jumped to conclusions by making unwarranted characterizations of such statements, claiming that they were based on things the patients had experienced, without ever verifying that this was the case, while at the same time calling such statements descriptions of "hallucinations." 

A review of 80 years of experiments on electrical stimulation of the brain uses the word “reminiscences” for accounts that may or may not be memory retrievals. The review tells us, “This remains a rare phenomenon with from 0.3% to 0.59% EBS [electrical brain stimulation] inducing reminiscences.” The review states the following:

"We observed a surprisingly large variety of reminiscences covering all aspects of declarative memory. However, most were poorly detailed and only a few were episodic. This result does not support theories of a highly stable and detailed memory, as initially postulated, and still widely believed as true by the general public....Overall, only one patient reported what appeared to be a clearly detailed episodic memory for which he spontaneously specified that he had never thought about it....Overall, these results do not support Penfield's idea of a highly stable memory that can be replayed randomly by EBS. Hence, results of EBS should not, at this stage, be taken as evidence for long-term episodic memories that can sometimes be retrieved."

So Egnor is wrong about Penfield. He did not do anything to show memories are stored in brains.  In particular, he made no attempt to determine whether accounts he collected from people being brain-stimulated matched actual things they had experienced.  We don't even know whether such accounts were actual memories. 

In another post Egnor continues to suggest incorrect ideas about the research of Penfield. He claims that some reader said that 5 percent of Penfield's stimulation produced memories. As his only link to back up this claim, he gives a link to the paper quoted above, which does not support any such claim, but instead tells us that "This remains a rare phenomenon with from 0.3% to 0.59% EBS [electrical brain stimulation] inducing reminiscences.”  So the actual rate is that when you stimulate someone's brain, maybe 1 out of 200 times they will remember something. This does nothing to show that memories are stored in brains, and you could probably get a similar rate of memory recollection by scratching someone's elbow, simply because normal speech is rich in memory recollection. 

The Roger Sperry Link

The link Egnor gives when referring to Roger Sperry is a link to the post here. The post discusses patients that underwent a cutting of the fibers connecting their two hemispheres. Such patients retained a single unified self. Such evidence is important in establishing that the brain is not the source of the mind, as they showed people with essentially two severed brain halves retain a single self. But split-brain operations do nothing to substantiate Egnor's mostly incorrect claim that "The pioneering neuroscientists of the 20th and 21st centuries — Wilder Penfield, Roger Sperry, Justine Sergent, Yair Pinto, Benjamin Libet, and many others — have shown that the brain is the source of five of these kinds of activities—physiological control (of heartbeat, breathing, etc.), locomotion, perception, memory, and emotion."

The Justine Sergent Link

The link Egnor gives is to the post here, which also discusses split brain operations, and mentions how neuroscientist Justine Sergent did some work following up on the "split brain" research of Roger Sperry, showing that two disconnected halves of a split-brain patient do not form connections reconnecting them.  The discussion does nothing to substantiate Egnor's mostly untrue claim that "The pioneering neuroscientists of the 20th and 21st centuries — Wilder Penfield, Roger Sperry, Justine Sergent, Yair Pinto, Benjamin Libet, and many others — have shown that the brain is the source of five of these kinds of activities—physiological control (of heartbeat, breathing, etc.), locomotion, perception, memory, and emotion."

The Yair Pinto Link

The link Egnor gives is to the post here, entitled "Split-Brain Research Confirms Unity of the Human Mind."  We read about how neuroscientist Yair Pinto did research further showing that split-brain patients retain a single unified mind. The discussion does nothing to substantiate Egnor's mostly untrue claim that "The pioneering neuroscientists of the 20th and 21st centuries — Wilder Penfield, Roger Sperry, Justine Sergent, Yair Pinto, Benjamin Libet, and many others — have shown that the brain is the source of five of these kinds of activities—physiological control (of heartbeat, breathing, etc.), locomotion, perception, memory, and emotion."

The Benjamin Libet Link

The link Egnor gives is to the page here, which does nothing to back up the mostly untrue claim quoted above. 

Egnor's Other Attempts to Show Brains Handle Memory

Egnor makes two other attempts to suggest brains handle memory.  He mentions Alzheimer's patients, saying "Alzheimer’s patients are quite conscious; what they lack is memory." Under the more severe understanding of the word "lack," this is a very bad misstatement. Alzheimer's patients are properly described as people with memory problems. The average Alzheimer's patient does have memory of various types, but performs more poorly than average in recalling and remembering (see the end of this post where I describe how by one measure they perform about 80% as well on average as normal people). Alzheimer’s patients do not show that memory is a brain process, because of the low correlation between brain damage and dementia. As I discuss in my post here, there is no convincing evidence that the brains of Alzheimer’s patients are more damaged or shrunken than the brains of people with  normal memory performance. And the brain plaques called a hallmark of Alzheimer’s are found abundantly in many millions of people with normal memory performance. 

Here is a quote from a book on dementia (you can find the quote using the link here and going to page 35):

lack of correlation between Alzheimers and brain damage

In  the paper here entitled "A Population-Based Clinicopathological Study in the Oldest-Old: The 90+ Study." we read this:

"Half of all non-demented participants (49%) and just over half of demented participants (57%) met pathological criteria for AD [Alzheimer's Disease], ... The pathologies examined to date failed to explain all dementia in this cohort, as almost one quarter (22%) of all demented participants did not have significant AD or any other pathology to explain their cognitive loss."

We see below a diagram from that paper showing the low link between dementia and brain pathology:

cause of Alzheimer's Disease

Egnor also makes this claim: "Similarly, bilateral hippocampal destruction by injury to the temporal lobes causes a catastrophic loss of ability to form new memories, but such patients are fully conscious." The claim is a myth of neuroscientists.  The neuroscience literature documents no case of a person  with "bilateral hippocampal destruction" by either surgery by injury who had a "catastrophic loss of ability to form new memories."  Claims that patient H.M. had such an inability to form new memories are untrue, as I document in my post here, where I cite quite a few cases of that patient learning new things after his injury and surgery. In that post I cite much research showing that damage to the hippocampus has little effect on the ability to form new memories.  One of the examples I quote in that post is that while the claim was made in the 1950's that patient H.M. could form no new memories, when patient H.M. was shown a Kennedy half-dollar in 1968, he stated that the man shown on it was President Kennedy, and that he had been assassinated (referring to the death of Kennedy that occurred in 1963). This is only one of many similar examples given in the paper here

Karl Lashley spent years doing experiments testing the cognitive effects of removing parts of the brains of animals, and was unable to find any "magic spot" crucial to memory. The screen shot below is from this page of a book on Lashley's research. We see a table comparing test performance on animals with different degrees of hippocampus damage. The animals with the most hippocampus damage (having "deep bilateral damage") performed as well as the animals with the least hippocampus damage. 

hippocampus damage effect on memory

Why "Brains Do Memory" Is Untenable

 In the post I have quoted Egnor seems to claim that memory is handled by the brain. There are many reasons why that cannot be correct. 

  • As shown in the many examples given herehereherehere and here, contrary to the predictions of "brains make minds" and "brains store memories" thinkers, human minds can operate very well despite tremendous damage to the brain, caused by injury, disease or surgery. For example, removing half of a person's brain in the operation known as hemispherectomy produces little change in memory or cognitive abilities. There have been quite a few cases of people (such as Lorber's patients) who were able to think and speak very well despite having lost more than 60% of their brain due to disease. Such cases argue powerfully that the human mind is not actually a product of the brain or an aspect of the brain, and is not a storage place of human memories. 

  • Although it is claimed that memories are stored in the brain (specifically in synapses), there is no place in the brain that is a plausible storage site for human memories that can last for 50 years or longer. The proteins that make up both synapses and dendritic spines are quite short-lived, being subject to very high molecular turnover which gives them an average lifetime of only a few weeks or less. The 2018 study here precisely measured the lifetimes of more than 3000 brain proteins from all over the brain, and found not a single one with a lifetime of more than 75 days (figure 2 shows the average protein lifetime was only 11 days).  Both synapses and dendritic spines are a “shifting sands” substrate absolutely unsuitable for storing memories that last reliably for decades. Synapses are connected to dendritic spines, which have short lifetimesA 2018 paper has a graph showing a 5-day "survival fraction" of only about 30% for dendritic spines in the cortex.  A 2014 paper found that only 3% of new spines in the cortex persist for more than 22 days. Speaking of dendritic spines, a 2007 paper says, "Most spines that appear in adult animals are transient, and the addition of stable spines and synapses is rare." A 2016 paper found a dendritic spine turnover rate in the neocortex of 4% every 2 days. A 2018 paper found only about 30% of new and existing dendritic spines in the cortex remaining after 16 days (Figure 4 in the paper). 

  • It is claimed that memories are stored in brains, but humans are able to instantly recall accurately very obscure items of knowledge and memories learned or experienced decades ago; and the brain seems to have none of the characteristics that would allow such a thing. The recall of an obscure memory from a brain would require some ability to access the exact location in the brain where such a memory was stored (such as the neurons near neuron# 8,124,412,242). But given the lack of any neuron coordinate system or any neuron position notation system or anything like an indexing system or addressing system in the brain, it would seem impossible for a brain to perform anything like such an instantaneous lookup of stored information from some exact spot in the brain.

  • If humans were storing their memories in brains, there would have to be a fantastically complex translation system (almost infinitely more complicated than the ASCII code or the genetic code) by which mental concepts, words and images are translated into neural states. But no trace of any such system has ever been found, no one has given a credible detailed theory of how it could work, and if it existed it would be a “miracle of design” that would be naturally inexplicable.

  • If human brains actually stored conceptual and experiential memories, the human brain would have to have both a write mechanism by which exact information can be precisely written, and a read mechanism by which exact information can be precisely read. The brain seems to have neither of these things. There is nothing in the brain similar to the “read-write” heads found in computers.

  • We know from our experience with computers the type of things that an information storage and retrieval system uses and requires. The human brain seems to have nothing like any of these things

  • As discussed here, humans can form new memories instantly, at a speed much faster than would be possible if we were using our brains to store such memories. It is typically claimed that memories are stored by “synapse strengthening” and protein synthesis, but such things do not work fast enough to explain the formation of memories that can occur instantly.

  • Contrary to the idea that human memories are stored in synapses, the density of synapses sharply decreases between childhood and early adulthood. We see no neural effect matching the growth of learned memories in human.

  • There are many humans with either exceptional memory abilities (such as those with hyperthymesia who can recall every day of their adulthood) or exceptional thinking abilities (such as savants with blazing-fast calculation abilities). But such cases do not involve larger brains, very often involve completely ordinary brains, and quite often involve damaged brains, quite to the contrary of what we would expect from the “brains make minds” assumption and the "brains store memories" assumption. 

  • For decades microscopes have been powerful enough to detect memories in brains, if memories existed in brains. Very much brain tissue has been studied by the most powerful microscopes: both brain tissue extracting from living patients, and brain tissue extracted from someone very soon after he died. Very many thousands of brains have been examined soon after death.  Microscopes now allow us to see very clearly what is in the tiniest brain structures such as dendritic spines and synapse heads. But microscopic examination of brain tissue has failed to reveal any trace whatsoever of learned information in a brain.  No one has found a single letter of the alphabet stored in a brain; no has found a single number stored in a brain; and no one has ever found even a single pixel of something someone saw a day or more before.  If memories were stored in human brains, microscopes would have revealed decisive evidence of such a thing decades ago.  But no such evidence has appeared. 

  • There is nothing in the brain that looks like learned information stored according to some systematic format that humans understand or do not understand. Even when scientists cannot figure out a code used to store information, they often can detect hallmarks of encoded information. For example, long before Europeans were able to decipher how hieroglyphics worked, they were able to see a repetition of symbolic tokens that persuaded them that some type of coding system was being used. Nothing like that can be seen in the brain. We see zero signs that synapses or dendritic spines are any such things as encoded information. 
  • Many humans can remember with perfect accuracy very long bodies of text, such as hundreds of pages; but synapses in the brain do not reliably transmit information. An individual chemical synapse transmits an action potential with a reliability of only 50% or less, as little as 10%. A recall of long bodies of text would require a traversal of very many chemical synapses. A scientific paper says, "In the cortex, individual synapses seem to be extremely unreliable: the probability of transmitter release in response to a single action potential can be as low as 0.1 or lower." Moreover, the brain lacks any physical structure consistent with an ability to store very long sequences of information, as I discuss here.
  • Humans often form vivid new memories while humans are having near-death experiences taking place during cardiac arrest, when the brain has shut down, showing only flatlines of electrical activity. That brain state is called asystole, and it occurs within about 10 to 20 seconds after the heart stops.  If memories are created by the brain, the formation of new memories should be impossible while the brain is electrically inactive. But we know that very vivid and detailed memories can form during such states of brain electrical inactivity. That would not be possible if memory formation is a brain activity. Moreover, during near-death experiences occurring asystole, people do not find themselves as minds without memories. They find themselves as the same selves with the same memories. There are endless accounts along the lines of this: "Suddenly I was floating outside of my body, and could see it beneath me. Later I saw my deceased mother." No such experiences would occur if a soul lacking memory powers were to persist after the heart stopped and brain waves stopped.  In that case there would be no memory recall, and no memory formation. 
Oddly in a 2024 post Egnor had sounded like someone on the verge of ditching the claim that memories are stored in the brain. But in the post I have quoted above he sounds more like someone who can't ditch the old "brains form memories" doctrine. He should read some of the posts on this blog to learn more about why the old "brains form memories" doctrine fails all over the place. Looking through a series of many posts Egnor has published on the Evolution News site, I find a thinker who has many intelligent things to say about minds and brains, but someone who apparently has not given the topic of memory the extremely thorough study and analysis that someone should give  before lecturing us on its source. 

Below we have an old newspaper account of a person named John Bly, whose "retention of memory was remarkable" even though he had almost no brain because of a five-inch brain abscess filled with pus. Along with the case of the French civil servant with almost no brain but apparently good memory, this case shows the untruth of claims that a hippocampus is necessary for memory. See the post here to find the original source. 

good memory with bad brain

Michael Egnor has made some notable progress in moving away from some of the brain dogmas he was indoctrinated in while studying for his qualifications. To make further progress, he should study and ponder the topic of memory much more carefully and deeply, paying particular attention to the very important topic of brain physical shortfalls (discussed here), the very important topic of particular people with vastly above average memory abilities (discussed in the post here and the series of posts here), and the topic of the preservation of memory after very bad brain damage (discussed in posts such as the one here).  Brain physical shortfalls (the physical shortcomings of all human brains) tell us just as strongly that brains do not handle memory storage and retrieval as they tell us that brains are not the source of our selves and thinking.  

The MMSE test seems to be the main test used for dementia or cognitive impairment. You can get a score between 0 and 30 on the test, and any score of 25 or higher is considered "normal." It must be remembered that every single time a person answers one of the questions on the test correctly, that is a demonstration of some memory ability -- because any ability to recognize or use language requires some memory skill, skills such as recognition (of words heard) or recall of the correct words you need to use to state a correct answer.   

The scientific paper "Word retrieval in connected speech in Alzheimer’s disease: a review with meta-analyses" has a Table 1 that shows the MMSE scores for more than 1100  Alzheimer’s disease patients, collected from more than 50 different studies. Page 10 of the paper tells us that the average MMSE score for those with Alzheimer's disease (AD) was 19.07, and that the median was also about 19 (18.95). 

Although definitely an indication that Alzheimer's involves some memory difficulty, this data shows what a glaring error it is to speak about such people by saying, "Alzheimer’s patients are quite conscious; what they lack is memory," as Egnor did.  To the contrary, every single score above 0 on the MMSE is an indication that some memory ability still exists;  and data showing that Alzheimer's patients score an average of about 19 on this test (which has a maximum score of 30) suggests that on average those with Alzheimer's have most of the memory skill that they had in their prime. 

Similar data is found in Table 1 of the paper here, entitled "Brain-age predicts subsequent dementia in memory clinic patients."  We have cognitive performance data on 664 patients classified as "non-dementia," and 476 patients classified with "dementia."  The average MMSE score for those with dementia (about 22 out of 30) is almost as high as the average MMSE score for those classified as "non-dementia," a score of about 24. It would be very wrong to say those classified with dementia were "lacking memory," as you need quite a lot of memory skills to score 22 out of 30 on the MMSE test. The table also gives us figures for brain volume for both groups, and the brain volume for those classified with "dementia" is only slightly less than those classified as "non-dementia." Figure 3 of the paper is the scatter plot below, which tells us no clear tale about any clear relation between "brain age" (largely how much of your brain was loss to atrophy) and whether or not you will have dementia.

brain age for those with dementia

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